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Re:Regeneration/Asda 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
Lin wrote:
there doesn't appear to be any other viable solution so I think we should go with this one.
Is this not in itself a solution? What does everyone think? From what I have heard, it is a new cafe, new ranges, more jobs. Is it that the store will be enough if increased in size?

Also, a question which I have heard, the major problem with the current Tesco is in the summer when the tourists arrive, a larger Tesco may help with this? An if a new ASDA is built, will it further attract people from Sandy Bay down town or will they all still go to the Tesco because it is closer? Again, I am just asking questions and I am not trying to put my thoughts across.

I also saw this on http://www.ecozine.co.uk/news7.htm

Exmouth Greens in
stunning victory over Walmart

Campaigners in Exmouth, Devon, are celebrating their victory over plans by the world's largest retailer to build a giant supermarket on one of Britain’s finest beauty spots by promoting a popular planning initiative for the seaside town.
The eighteen month battle of Exmouth Citizens' Forum (ECF) against a proposed Asda Walmart superstore on Exmouth's internationally renowned estuaryside was won last week when East Devon District Council (EDDC) finally dropped the scheme. The decision by the Conservative council followed mounting pressure

both from local campaigners and from overseas supporters impressed by their efforts.
ECF has received support from as far afield as China and New Zealand in its campaign against the US giant's plans. Following its success, ECF, which organised an 11,000-signature petition to Parliament against the plan, is now

taking steps to establish an authentic community-led, process of democratic and inclusive planning for Exmouth.
Spokeswoman Megan Armstrong says ECF now wants to build on its success. She said:

"Messages of support we received in recent weeks show that the eyes of the world have been on Exmouth during this resistance stage of the campaign. Both national newspapers and politicians have been drawn into the battle. "Having united to defeat East Devon District Council's deeply unpopular superstore scheme, the people of Exmouth have created a wonderful opportunity to come together again to say what sort of community we want for our children.

In that, we can give a lead to many in the world who do not want big business to take over their way of life. "Our campaign has proved Exmouth to be a vibrant place, so there will be no shortage of ideas. But we should learn after the defeat of the council's expensive yet bogus 'public consultation' exercise that there should be no mad dash to a decision.
"We now have the chance to work together to find how we can best retain what makes Exmouth so beautiful and attractive to all who come here, yet also ensure that it remains a place with an economy that makes it continue to flourish – one that offers worthwhile jobs and a decent future for our children. "This is a golden opportunity for our councillors, especially those who don't live in Exmouth but seem so determined to change it from outside, to prove their transparency and commitment to local people by joining with the Exmouth Citizens' Forum's people-led initiative to build a better future together."


There is no date with this and this is something I missed, I assume this is after the petition and if so, how did it get back on track?
 
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Hello Lin

I will try and answer the questions you raised.

If you look at many of the Asda store buildings they usually have three sides that are just plain (usually white and looking like a sort of corrugated iron) walls, the Newton Abbot store is like that to a large extent. Like their American parent company Walmart stores, they are not striking architectural buildings, just great big sheds. If you have Google Earth try looking at some towns that have Asdas. You can spot the stores as great white sheds from miles off - try Spennymoor near Gateshead and you can perhaps see what I mean. See also http://theblot.wordpress.com/2006/09/16/asda-blunder-in-newton-abbot/ for one Newton Abbot resident's views on their Asda building.

It isn't true that those opposed to the use of the estuary side don't have alternative ideas, they just don't get much publicity afforded them. I have already mentioned the London Inn as an alternative, some have suggested a store on the KFC roundabout (not stretching from the estuary site though) indeed the Town council supported that idea, an improved Sommerfield would help and also perhaps something could be done in the area at the back of Sommerfields and Boots. There are many rumours that the Post Office is to be sold and that site could make a good store of a more suitable size.

When I went to the Tesco presentation I talked to one of their people about the presumption that a bigger store would make for better shopping. In some places I know as the store has got bigger so too have the crowds and in the end there isn't much real benefit, often quite the opposite. It is a bit like building new road, the more roads you build the more cars come and fill them up. I was told that they did not expect to draw many more customers as there are not that many places to draw them from, but that they expected shopping to be a more plesant experience. Their words not mine. It begs the question though, if Tesco don't think there is enough extra business in the area where are Asda's customers going to be coming from? Exmouth is not a typical town, three quarters of the area surrounding it is water, either the estuary or the sea, and thus the catchement area is restricted to a quarter slice of the normal cake. Even in that quarter you don't have to go too far out of Exmouth before it you are closer to Exeter and its greater range of shops.

By the way, the Tesco exhibition is on tomorrow Sat 10:00 to 16:00. Don't expect too much though, it is really just an artists impression with explanations as to the changes they want. There are Tesco staff there to ask questions of though.

As to where to start a group Lin, I think it is a question of finding like minded people who are willing to give a lot of their time and some of their money to enable others with similar views to join them to debate the issues and take things forward. It can be hard work, time consuming and extremely frustrating when you are up against 'the system' and all the interested parties. (Exmouth people taking on Asda Walmart, the worlds largest corporation, is really a David and Goliath scenario.)

I do recognise that Exmouth hasn't got everything that its inhabitants may want in terms of shops - I suspect that you cannot get your childrens clothes here and would appreciate a George outlet. I was in Exeter myself shopping for clothes, and books today (the book was one Asda would never stock and I doubt that they would have my size and _style_ of clothing). I think though that we must accept that Exmouth shops will never meet all our needs, there will always be reasons to go to Exeter or somewhere else for some things. What we should be able to do is get most of the things we need in our daily lives in Exmouth and at the same time have a town centre that is a vibrant and pleasant place to spend time in.
I hope some of this helps understanding where I come from and why I hold some of my views, and that I am trying to take on board your views too. Again, I am sorry to have gone on!
 
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That report is, unfortunately, old news. It relates to the results of the second of the Unlocking Exmouth 'consultations' when EDDC's ideas were rejected by those in the town who voted. Those votes led to EDDC telling us that they would drop promoting the estuaryside as a site for a superstore because "The people of Exmouth have spoken and we are listening" The EDDC News Service press release of 22nd February contains the empty promises.(now you know why I use the sceptic name!)
I am not a member of ECF but know many who are. As was mentioned in the Journal, the group are active again because of the turn around by EDDC. Actually they have stayed active but in other areas, they did their 'Vision for Exmouth' survey and have tried to get the Imperial Recreation ground listed as a village green to preserve it.
As to the 'new Tesco' my guess is that it will make some, many perhaps, but not all, happy. I would still like to see a good food store in the town centre in an appropriate location that will enhance and not threaten the existing facilities. Not everyone can get to Tesco easily. I expect it will always remain popular with many Sandy Bay visitors. An enlarged Tesco will remove some of the EDDC's arguments for needing a new supermarket as they will no longer be 'overtrading'- as EDDC put it.
 
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It seems to me that all parties involved are passionate about each of there views. I have found the views expressed so far very interesting and they are both giving valid points. I also know from the statistics on this thread that there are many people reading this forum and it will help some people make there mind up. I have also sent a email to ASDA with a direct _link_ to this forum, as of yet, I am still waiting for a reply but is my aim for them to come and give their side of the story (I know it will obviously be in favour but would be interesting to see there response). I will ask again, through those who read and post in this thread, please tell others about it and please ask them to come and place more of there views upon it, the more people that do so, the bigger the chance that views will be listened to, what ever the views are.
In terms of the Tesco expansion, and the fact they just want to improve there customer service, I do think that there will not be a retained level of customers and yes, it will become busier as more people visit but is it the case that Tesco are only doing this becuase of the ASDA? Is this a good thing?
 
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Hi everyone,we all (quite rightly) have our opinions in this matter and I can only speak from someone who really loves your town.From the very first time I arrived in Exmouth I was smitten with its beauty and friendliness.I sometimes think its a case of the grass is always greener.I live in a village that is very pretty but has hardly any facilities lol to have a somerfield would be HUGE!I chose to live here some 30 years ago knowing this.Our public transport is almost no existant and to be able to shop we know we have to travel.but we know that to have a supermarket built would absolutely destroy the beauty of the place.I hope you come up with the right solution for exmouth.
 
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It would be good to get some involvement from Asda not least because it would give us all a chance to ask them questions. I have tried to get some answers from them but my emails have been ignored. As to Tesco's motives, all I will say is that the town must not be the loser in a war of escalating competition between multi nationals. These companies will take their profits out of the town, locally owned shops recycle much more of their income locally.
Marnie raises an interesting angle with the comment about the grass always being greener on the other side. I am an incomer, like it seems 80% of the residents of Exmouth (though many have been here for many many years). My family have known Exmouth for many years. We chose Exmouth because it is a special place, the people are far more friendly than the area from which we came and it is outstandingly beautiful. We are indeed privileged to live here.
I can imagine that many truly local Exmothians can be fed up with the perceived lack of facilities. I can only say that up country, people would give a fortune for their traffic congestion to only be as bad as the A 376, to have our towns views and natural beauty, to have the friendly nature we experience. Maybe it is also a genereration thing.
We do need jobs for our young people, good jobs not minimum wage unskilled jobs in retail or service industries. Would it not be marvellous if we could attract some employer like the Met Office with good professional jobs to attract our youngsters. Should not our sights for new job opportunities be higher than till work of shelf stacking? My grown up children would be down here in a heartbeat if the were jobs in their fields were available here.
We are not alone in needing affordable housing. We could also do with better transport facilities. But for all of this we are still far better off than many.
If we can make our town a better place for residents, it will become a better town for visitors.
I have generally shied away from making many suggestions as to how the town can be improved, I have some general ideas that are to do with making the most of its natural assets but I do not come here thinking I know best, far from it. I do though come believing that I know, from my own experience, how bad things can get if planning and development is left to people with their own interests at heart and not the towns. Are any of the supermarkets really interested in Exmouth for Exmouths sake?
By all means let us see development, but please make sure that development is appropriate to our unique surroundings.
Again I apologise for the length of the posting - but I would never apologise for caring about Exmouth's future - nor I think would any here.
 
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